whisperit said:

So what did you make of the Xmas Who then?
It was not well recieved in the whisper household.

PS - Sartori - you can do "Cardiff Watch" on "Sherlock" too. Even though most of it is filmed in London, there's the odd chunk of Welsh thrown in every now and then.

Yup , I`ve seen it being filmed (well the crews anyway) over by Roath Park , a friend of my wifes bumped into Martin and asked for an autograph and he said no as he was trying to stay in character - pwned . Of course it was the obligatory front of Cardiff Museum with a burger stand shot last night . 

....my dopey twat sister failed to understand the episode at all, she's not the sharpest. I did a crosscheck and gave my kids a multi choice questionnaire based upon the Xmas special, which they passed 10/10 , it confirmed my foo foo 7dwarfs based sister name calling was appropriate.

Last sundays Sherlock (the Wedding episode) destroyed Dr Who!!  I work of genius and best thing I saw all holidays.

How can Moffat and Gatiss write that and get now where near on Doctor Who. I really think Doctor Who is now such a global brand there are demand so on content / script and to many fingers in the mix.

Border_Mind said:

The Moffat era comes nowhere near to the Barry Letts or Philip Hinchliffe eras and is barely on par with the John Nathan Turner era in my honest opinion. I hope Moffat moves on actually, and much preferred RTD. No doubt  I've said all this before and it's all about personal taste, still better to have some Who than none at all. I hope Capaldi's Doctor will blow me away, but I have no idea yet whether he will or not, though his introduction was easily the highlight of a not that great episode at Xmas.

Did you watch Sherlock on Sunday? Why can't he do that with Who?

Is it target audience age problem?

From what I gathered from recent documentaries, the Tom Baker era was lucky in that the BBC basically let them do what they wanted. I mean they let Douglas Adams take charge at one point.

tattmaylor said:

Border_Mind said:

Did you watch Sherlock on Sunday? Why can't he do that with Who?

Is it target audience age problem?

From what I gathered from recent documentaries, the Tom Baker era was lucky in that the BBC basically let them do what they wanted. I mean they let Douglas Adams take charge at one point.

I must be one of the few not watching Sherlock, a mixture of not wanting to watch too much TV, and  not really being keen on the lead man or Sherlock Holmes more generally, so no not seen any of it, maybe one day though...


Douglas Adams was indeed the script editor (1978-79), and penned 'the City of Death' (among one or two others) and that is highly regarded amongst fans.


The target age problem, I guess the question always remains is Doctor Who purely a children's TV programme? I have known fans to get quite irate at the labeling of DW as children's TV. I think some eras were more childish than others, and whilst I personally didn't love Matt Smith's Doctor I can see he had the right ingredients to appeal to younger viewers. So I guess Moffat aims DW first and foremost at the kiddies?

^It should be perfectly possible for a good writer to write Dr Who so that it is satisfying for both children and adults. Not easy, but possible - think about how so many fairy and folk tales manage it. I reckon that for the salary the BBC must be paying, they ought to be doing better than Moffat.

One of the problems with the Xmas special was that he was confusing epic themes with an epic ego....

Hey! I'm writing this as if I actually care! That's got to be a useful skill.
 

Filming is a go , this is a clip from the 13th in Cardiff (Goldfrapp link , its opposite the ex-church that they played in absolutely yonks ago , where I met HJ and a few others wiv me mrs)